pro labor and backs unions, enough reason right there NOT to vote for the POS. And yeah the new ideas what would that be, spread the wealth around? No thanks to that either there is enough of that in other countires over many years so that is not a new idea. Other than that I have never heard of ANY ideas from this guy other than free gov. provided health care. Yeap, another great "new idea". Try again please, I'd love to hear more of his great new ideas...
Anyone who foucuses on Joe the plumber not paying taxes, not having a license, collecting welfare, not really named Joe etc. instead of looking into Osama's past is the lowest form of crap in this country.
Within 24 hours the media had dug up and published everything but Joe's latest colonoscopy results. Yet we still have not seen Comrade Zero's birth certificate, medical records, passports, college records, or adoption records. The media is silent.
High probability proof is available that Obama's book Dreams of MY Father was ghostwritten by English professor terrorist friend ("just a neighbor") William Ayers. The media is silent.
High probability proof is available that the COLB posted on Obama's website if a forgery. The media is silent.
Obama campaigned and supported a Kenyan thug for President (Odinga). His election loss caused his thugs to murder over 1,000 people (mostly Christians) in that country. The media is silent.
Several lawsuits are pending in several states challenging Obama's eligibility to be POTUS as defined in the Constitution. The media is silent.
Obama participated in a party honoring an anti-Israel Palestinian activist. The LA Times has a video tape of the party. They refused to release it. The media is silent.
I will agree that MSNBC and Fox are biased. Some parts of the media may be holding back important information. Of course, that is unjust. Based on a couple of the claims you made about his birth certificate and Ayers writing his book seems to be untrue according to the Associated Press.
For the record, I made my presidential decision from reading both candidates issues on their offical websites, watching the debates, and reading the Associated Press news from Yahoo to stay up to date. Occasionally, I will watch the national evening news but usually stick with my local television news.
"An ignorant man thinks he knows everything, a wise man knows he doesn't."
pro labor and backs unions, enough reason right there NOT to vote for the POS. And yeah the new ideas what would that be, spread the wealth around? No thanks to that either there is enough of that in other countires over many years so that is not a new idea. Other than that I have never heard of ANY ideas from this guy other than free gov. provided health care. Yeap, another great "new idea". Try again please, I'd love to hear more of his great new ideas...
I can understand how some business owners may be upset with Obama being elected and how it may effect their bottom line. If you want to know about his ideas, read his stand on the issues.
Anyone who foucuses on Joe the plumber not paying taxes, not having a license, collecting welfare, not really named Joe etc. instead of looking into Osama's past is the lowest form of crap in this country.
Within 24 hours the media had dug up and published everything but Joe's latest colonoscopy results. Yet we still have not seen Comrade Zero's birth certificate, medical records, passports, college records, or adoption records. The media is silent.
High probability proof is available that Obama's book Dreams of MY Father was ghostwritten by English professor terrorist friend ("just a neighbor") William Ayers. The media is silent.
High probability proof is available that the COLB posted on Obama's website if a forgery. The media is silent.
Obama campaigned and supported a Kenyan thug for President (Odinga). His election loss caused his thugs to murder over 1,000 people (mostly Christians) in that country. The media is silent.
Several lawsuits are pending in several states challenging Obama's eligibility to be POTUS as defined in the Constitution. The media is silent.
Obama participated in a party honoring an anti-Israel Palestinian activist. The LA Times has a video tape of the party. They refused to release it. The media is silent.
I will agree that MSNBC and Fox are biased. Some parts of the media may be holding back important information. Of course, that is unjust. Based on a couple of the claims you made about his birth certificate and Ayers writing his book seems to be untrue according to the Associated Press.
For the record, I made my presidential decision from reading both candidates issues on their offical websites, watching the debates, and reading the Associated Press news from Yahoo to stay up to date. Occasionally, I will watch the national evening news but usually stick with my local television news.
you`re 50% correct....MSNBC is waaaay left...lots more than CNN , ABC etc....Fox is right there at the center *), BUT since we dont have anything as far to the right as MSNBC is to the left ,Fox will 'seem' to be to the right ,since they are to the right of the left....
*) if you checked the polls on how they showed the different candidates,,, MSNBC showed 78% negative views of McCain and 12% neg of Barack...Cnn was something like 60-40 , anf Fox showed 50% neg of McCain 50% negatives of Barack....thats why its 'balanced'....
Sheri, I just read the "issues" and the "solutions".
While many of the issues are legitimate, the solutions in most cases will not work.
Much of it boils down to the basic premise that if you charge more taxes/benefits/wages to a business, the business has three choices. Increase prices to reflect the rising costs, cut operating costs, or downsize/close to avoid them. A business will not invest in expansion without profit, and will not operate without making a profit for long, and everyone employed there will go down with it.
This creates a cascade effect identical to the trickle-down economics in reverse. If the wages go up and the price of the product goes up accordingly, who wins? The government, who taxes the wage earner on their increased wages. If the company closes down due to increased costs, the workers will lose the wages entirely.
Where is all the money coming from to pay for these proposed programs? You can't get it out of American automakers or suppliers. You can't get it out of agriculture.
Since the US can't cap free market salaries and bonuses and benefits, I would agree with taxing compensation beyond a reasonable level with a "windfall tax" or something like it. Perhaps it would be best to "penalize" a company for overcompensation, as well as tax the excess compensation itself. This would apply to athletes and other highly paid individuals as well as corporate CEOs, and may drive down the compensation to more realistic levels. And businesses who provide health insurance to their employees should receive credit for the premiums, not just a reduction in the taxable income.
States should not be allowed to tax employee compensation and benefits, nor gross sales. Tax exemptions for relocations should be dropped, as this encourages businesses to shop around to see what state will give them the best incentive to move there.
This country operates on tax revenue, and I understand there is a need to collect. But the system is broken, those who contribute the most to the economy are hit hard, those who suck from the economy are not taxed equitably, and at the other extreme those who leverage the loopholes are not taxed equitably. The proposal to make a "quick and easy" tax return will be met with joy by a lot of people. Michigan did that for years with the Single Business Tax. One form, a few minutes, and you could go on with your life. However, if you did the 6 to 8 forms for alternate calculation methods, you could often cut hundreds or thousands off that tax bill.
Remember that all trade agreements are two way streets. If we get access to foreign markets, they get access to ours. And since trade policy is to "build developing nations", that means that it's often a 90% incoming/10% outgoing balance of trade, which sends American money overseas. Other countries are getting richer at our expense. Why not keep our money inside our border whenever possible?
It will take a lot more than campaign promises to fix this country. But it has to start somewhere.
Vikki 1969 Goldenrod Yellow / black 400 convertible numbers matching
thanks to the Unions, Ford , Chrysler and GM are just about out of businness now...if it werent for Unions, they would be ok.... not saying that unions are evil, they did have their usefulness , but long ago, now they have gotten so much out of the auto industry that its killing the hand that feeds them....
Sheri, I just read the "issues" and the "solutions".
While many of the issues are legitimate, the solutions in most cases will not work.
Much of it boils down to the basic premise that if you charge more taxes/benefits/wages to a business, the business has three choices. Increase prices to reflect the rising costs, cut operating costs, or downsize/close to avoid them. A business will not invest in expansion without profit, and will not operate without making a profit for long, and everyone employed there will go down with it.
This creates a cascade effect identical to the trickle-down economics in reverse. If the wages go up and the price of the product goes up accordingly, who wins? The government, who taxes the wage earner on their increased wages. If the company closes down due to increased costs, the workers will lose the wages entirely.
Where is all the money coming from to pay for these proposed programs? You can't get it out of American automakers or suppliers. You can't get it out of agriculture.
Since the US can't cap free market salaries and bonuses and benefits, I would agree with taxing compensation beyond a reasonable level with a "windfall tax" or something like it. Perhaps it would be best to "penalize" a company for overcompensation, as well as tax the excess compensation itself. This would apply to athletes and other highly paid individuals as well as corporate CEOs, and may drive down the compensation to more realistic levels. And businesses who provide health insurance to their employees should receive credit for the premiums, not just a reduction in the taxable income.
States should not be allowed to tax employee compensation and benefits, nor gross sales. Tax exemptions for relocations should be dropped, as this encourages businesses to shop around to see what state will give them the best incentive to move there.
This country operates on tax revenue, and I understand there is a need to collect. But the system is broken, those who contribute the most to the economy are hit hard, those who suck from the economy are not taxed equitably, and at the other extreme those who leverage the loopholes are not taxed equitably. The proposal to make a "quick and easy" tax return will be met with joy by a lot of people. Michigan did that for years with the Single Business Tax. One form, a few minutes, and you could go on with your life. However, if you did the 6 to 8 forms for alternate calculation methods, you could often cut hundreds or thousands off that tax bill.
Remember that all trade agreements are two way streets. If we get access to foreign markets, they get access to ours. And since trade policy is to "build developing nations", that means that it's often a 90% incoming/10% outgoing balance of trade, which sends American money overseas. Other countries are getting richer at our expense. Why not keep our money inside our border whenever possible?
It will take a lot more than campaign promises to fix this country. But it has to start somewhere.
I think understand what you are saying about "trickle down" economics. I agree with those points. The tax system is broken and does need to be taxed more evenly. If we look at the "trick up" economics, if the middle class is taxed too heavily or has no money because of health care costs, they will not have money to spend. Businesses will lose earnings, lay off people, and possibly close leading to further unemployment. I won't say one method is better than the other. I think it works a little both ways. The part I didn't like about trickle down economics is if corporations get tax cuts will they pocket the money for the CEOs or will they try to expand business, share the profit with higher wages for the average worker, and give out bigger stock dividends. In trickle up, it's pretty much guaranteed middle class will spend money on business. I do think there is a fine balancing act with both economic systems being used.
As far as CEO salaries, I found this article interesting.
I knew they were way overpaid but finding out they are paid 400 times more than the average worker in the USA compared to other countries average of 20 times their average worker really puts it into perspective. If the companies put a ratio of paying the CEO 20 to maybe 50 times their average worker, it would be a cap but it would be more fair and flexible depending on the CEOs performance. It would give the CEO an incentive to be more responsible for the company to make more money. It would help the workers also because the CEO would want to raise their wages to raise his/hers. Of course, this all depends on revenue, taxes, and different outside variables effecting revenue.
I don't think I agree with States not taxing sales and employee earnings. I think it is needed for public services that everyone uses. I will agree that benefits should not be taxed.
I do agree that the trade with US and other countries is unbalanced. Too much is imported and not enough is exported which leads to the US losing earnings and jobs.
It would be nice to have simpler tax forms for convenience but I am concerned that some may lose out on certain tax breaks. I'm questioning how Obama plans to pay for his policies. I know he said at his press conference Friday that he would be looking at programs line by line to see what works and what doesn't. I hope he can cut out some of the programs throwing money away and use that money for things more productive. Especially with less revenue coming in from businesses and unemployed workers and more going out to "stimulate" the economy, every penny will be needed.
"An ignorant man thinks he knows everything, a wise man knows he doesn't."
you`re 50% correct....MSNBC is waaaay left...lots more than CNN , ABC etc....Fox is right there at the center *), BUT since we dont have anything as far to the right as MSNBC is to the left ,Fox will 'seem' to be to the right ,since they are to the right of the left....
*) if you checked the polls on how they showed the different candidates,,, MSNBC showed 78% negative views of McCain and 12% neg of Barack...Cnn was something like 60-40 , anf Fox showed 50% neg of McCain 50% negatives of Barack....thats why its 'balanced'....
[/quote] Oops, my bad. Fox is more in the middle. I don't watch cable news anyways.
"An ignorant man thinks he knows everything, a wise man knows he doesn't."
thanks to the Unions, Ford , Chrysler and GM are just about out of businness now...if it werent for Unions, they would be ok.... not saying that unions are evil, they did have their usefulness , but long ago, now they have gotten so much out of the auto industry that its killing the hand that feeds them....
Right on. Can you imagine if the US didn't have these car companies? That would be the end of a big piece of Americana pie.
"An ignorant man thinks he knows everything, a wise man knows he doesn't."
HaHa! I just realized that's msnbc. what irony. I swear I wasn't looking at the site! lol I got there by another link. It's an article by BusinessWeek so I know it has some legitimacy.
"An ignorant man thinks he knows everything, a wise man knows he doesn't."
Again that is a generalization, as I am the CEO and I certainly don't get that kind of compensation! We could move up an income bracket if we terminated our employee's position, but that would mean working 50% more hours.
Michigan has a new tax called the Michigan Business Tax, which I covered in depth in the other thread. It taxes businesses a percentage of gross sales AND a much bigger chunk of profit. Realistically, this combined tax is approximately 10% of our net profit. Plus we have to pay a state unemployment tax, federal unemployment tax, social security and medicare taxes on our employee wages. And since the the Michigan Unemployment Trust fund is running in the red, they added another tax supplement to help bolster the budget. What's the best way to reduce those taxes? Cut employee compensation and cut the number of employees. Sounds like a great way to promote business in Michigan, right?
Then, once we receive our net profit, we are taxed on it again, both state and federal income taxes.
Then once we spend what is left, we pay 6% sales tax.
What's left? Not much.
Vikki 1969 Goldenrod Yellow / black 400 convertible numbers matching
thanks to the Unions, Ford , Chrysler and GM are just about out of businness now...if it werent for Unions, they would be ok.... not saying that unions are evil, they did have their usefulness , but long ago, now they have gotten so much out of the auto industry that its killing the hand that feeds them....
Bjorn, the American automotive industry is in trouble for a lot of reasons, you just can't blame Unions. Big business is to blame as well, along with corporate greed. Free trade... yea right. I could go on, but I need to get some work done on winterizing vehicles.
I wouldn't have the job I do if it wasn't for the Teamsters. I make an honest days pay for an honest days work, and I pay dues for that privilege. If organized labor wasn't a part of what I do, corporate management would get away with murder. Unions are still needed to keep business in check, and they fight for a wage and benefits that the rank & file can live on, and stay healthy.
Yes there are some aspects of organized labor that need adjustment. Business and labor need to be more flexible. And that needs to get written into contracts. I think both parties need to develop solutions for a global economy as well.
Hey all, lets drop all the balderdash and ballyhoo and get back to the matters at hand, namely Firebirds. I pledge I won't say another word about politics. Anyone else? Done.
Again that is a generalization, as I am the CEO and I certainly don't get that kind of compensation! We could move up an income bracket if we terminated our employee's position, but that would mean working 50% more hours.
Michigan has a new tax called the Michigan Business Tax, which I covered in depth in the other thread. It taxes businesses a percentage of gross sales AND a much bigger chunk of profit. Realistically, this combined tax is approximately 10% of our net profit. Plus we have to pay a state unemployment tax, federal unemployment tax, social security and medicare taxes on our employee wages. And since the the Michigan Unemployment Trust fund is running in the red, they added another tax supplement to help bolster the budget. What's the best way to reduce those taxes? Cut employee compensation and cut the number of employees. Sounds like a great way to promote business in Michigan, right?
Then, once we receive our net profit, we are taxed on it again, both state and federal income taxes.
Then once we spend what is left, we pay 6% sales tax.
What's left? Not much.
It is in general and I doubt you make that. That was an average figure on CEOs and I'm thinking that's more from the big corporations. The ratio cap idea is just an idea. I think we can both agree that something needs to be done on outrageous compensation.
I can understand no state tax on businesses. I was thinking of personal income taxes. The Michigan business tax sounds outrageous. I'm not sure what ND's tax rate is on business. I know personal income tax is 2-6% which is lower than other states. I will agree a business gets taxed from many different ends and I can believe it doesn't leave much left.
"An ignorant man thinks he knows everything, a wise man knows he doesn't."
Hey all, lets drop all the balderdash and ballyhoo and get back to the matters at hand, namely Firebirds. I pledge I won't say another word about politics. Anyone else? Done.
I'll agree to that. Anyone that wants to talk politics can do it in private message.
"An ignorant man thinks he knows everything, a wise man knows he doesn't."
[/quote] I'll agree to that. Anyone that wants to talk politics can do it in private message. [/quote]
Simple solution, if you don't want to talk politics don't enter in to a political thread. Just because someone is sick of a topic they tell everyone else to PM each other. LOL seems pretty rediculous to me JMO. Now there is an example of the tail wagging the dog if I ever heard of one...
I'll agree to that. Anyone that wants to talk politics can do it in private message. [/quote]
Simple solution, if you don't want to talk politics don't enter in to a political thread. Just because someone is sick of a topic they tell everyone else to PM each other. LOL seems pretty rediculous to me JMO. Now there is an example of the tail wagging the dog if I ever heard of one...[/quote]
I was thinking if6was9 started this topic but he didn't. I was trying to be cordial and agreeing to end this topic. I guess it doesn't matter who starts it, anyone can finish. I'm sorry if I offended anyone or overstepped my boundaries. I just figured tensions have been brewing on politics and that it might be better off if we took a break from it. I don't mean to stop anyone from discussing it. Call it what you want but I didn't mean to offend anyone. I don't mind discussing issues but I'm taking a break from it.
"An ignorant man thinks he knows everything, a wise man knows he doesn't."
I appreciate the apology on being a little tough on that one. I'll agree to let a topic just drop off on it's own. Sometimes an easy solution isn't so bad.
"An ignorant man thinks he knows everything, a wise man knows he doesn't."
Don't apoligize Sheri. You're entitled to your opinions and comments. You didn't attack or insult anyone.
Thanks I appreciate that. Looking back, I think it did come across as a little bossy in my opinion and I didn't mean it that way. Now if I can find an internet fly swatter to swat at Montreux_Blue's bug, I'll be good....lol.
"An ignorant man thinks he knows everything, a wise man knows he doesn't."
It is driving me crazy as I actually do have a bug problem in my house. I have tried and tried to kill these blood sucking bastards (ticks) on my own. Finally resolved to pay the $300 to have a professional solve the problem.
I am killing at least a half dozen to dozen crawling on me the last couple days. Embarrassed to even type it. Kill that bug please.
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