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"DETROIT — According to a source at General Motors, the company will announce next Monday its new "faster, deeper" reorganization plan, which will likely include a death sentence for the Pontiac brand." For complete article see: Pontiac Is Dead - edmunds Inside Line 4/23/09 http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=146706
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Can't say didn't see that comming.
I'd rather see a rust bucket on the road, than a
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I think that will kill the 2010 T/A idea.
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I have a friend at Rick Hendrick, rumor is Pontiac and Saturn.
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personally I think Pontiac already died when they yanked the "heart" out...and installed the GM engine in lieu of the Pontiac engine....but its just my opinion...still too bad...the Pontiac dealership next to me closed down a month ago....note on the door says "Pontiacs now sold at the GMC dealership"
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There are a lot of loyalists who feel that way:
Pontiac: RIP 1979
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2006 Mustang V6 Pony, Vista Blue. Factory ordered.
2019 BMW X3 (Titled to the wife, but I'm always driving it for her. So I'm claiming it)
Old projects, gone but not forgotten:
1967 FB 400, original CA car. After 22 years of work, trashed by the guy who was supposed to paint it. I had to sell it.
1980 Turbo Trans Am
1970 Mustang fastback, 351C 4Bbl, auto
1988 Mustang GT, 5 speed
1983 F-150 4x4, built 302
1994 Chevy K2500 HD 4x4, 454 TBI
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I have owned atleast one Pontiac for all of the past 40 years and used them as my daily driver for all but 9 of those years. It will be a sad when the final edict hits.
There was talk of GMC dying too.
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I would be sad to see it go. I'm somewhat new to the Pontiac brand but my family sure isnt. My firebird is originally my grandfathers.
If i remember correctly, GMC will be kept to stay in the truck market.
Im sorry guys but GM is a very dumb company. Poorly run, lazy, and last on everything. I'm having trouble seeing it stay afloat over the next couple years even with the restructuring.
These new electric car companies like Tesla and all that china is doing with experimentation on batteries.....there is no way to compete.
GM is still playing with the whole hybrid thing preventing adaptability. its like an old technology. all of it should have been rushed to the market almost 2 years ago.
Has anyone seen the documentary Who Killed the Electric Car.
I suggest watching it. you can learn a thing or too
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I thought with the solstice G6 G8 they were making money.
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electric cars may be good , but if theres a solar storm, they may quit working temporarily, might even cease to work..... of course , lots of other things might 'cease' too.... . Space storm alert: 90 seconds from catastrophe 23 Mar 09 – (Excerpts) - “IT IS midnight on 22 September 2012 and the skies above Manhattan are filled with a flickering curtain of colourful light. Few New Yorkers have seen the aurora this far south but their fascination is short-lived. Within a few seconds, electric bulbs dim and flicker, then become unusually bright for a fleeting moment. Then all the lights in the state go out. Within 90 seconds, the entire eastern half of the US is without power. "A fierce solar storm could lead to a global disaster on an unprecedented scale." (Image: SOHO Consortium / ESA / NASA) “A year later and millions of Americans are dead and the nation's infrastructure lies in tatters. The World Bank declares America a developing nation. Europe, Scandinavia, China and Japan are also struggling to recover from the same fateful event - a violent storm, 150 million kilometres away on the surface of the sun. “It sounds ridiculous. Surely the sun couldn't create so profound a disaster on Earth. Yet an extraordinary report funded by NASA and issued by the US National Academy of Sciences (NAS) in January this year claims it could do just that.” You must read this report. "We're moving closer and closer to the edge of a possible disaster," says Daniel Baker, a space weather expert based at the University of Colorado in Boulder, and chair of the NAS committee responsible for the report. “From time to time,” the report says, the solar wind “carries a billion-tonne glob of plasma, a fireball known as a coronal mass ejection. If one should hit the Earth's magnetic shield, the result could be truly devastating.” “The incursion of the plasma into our atmosphere causes rapid changes in the configuration of Earth's magnetic field which, in turn, induce currents in the long wires of the power grids. The grids were not built to handle this sort of direct current electricity.” “A severe space weather event in the US could induce ground currents that would knock out 300 key transformers within about 90 seconds, cutting off the power for more than 130 million people.” First to go - immediately for those in high-rise buildings - is drinkable water. With no trains, no trucks, no cars (filling stations wouldn’t be able to pump gas) supermarket shelves would empty very quickly. Back-up generators would run out of fuel in less than 72 hours. After that, hospitals shut down. No more modern healthcare. And with the factories shuttered, no more medications. And forget nuclear power. The stations are programmed to shut down in the event of serious grid problems and are not allowed to restart until the power grid is up and running, the report says. With no power for heating, cooling or refrigeration systems, people could begin to die within days. "It could conceivably be the worst natural disaster possible,” the report says, “a planetary disaster.” “It is questionable whether the US would ever bounce back.” See entire article by Michael Brooks http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20....html?full=true
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Who killed the electric car? Nobody - it's not dead yet, it's still dragging along like it has been for decades. If there was a market that would support electric cars, electric cars would be sold.
Electric cars have been around for as long as I've been driving but have stayed on the fringe because they just don't offer the same value as gas powered cars. GM made the mistake of believing all the hype and rushing into production based on optimistic forecasts and California's ZEV law.
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electric cars may be good , but if theres a solar storm, they may quit working temporarily, might even cease to work..... of course , lots of other things might 'cease' too.... . Space storm alert: 90 seconds from catastrophe 23 Mar 09 – (Excerpts) - “IT IS midnight on 22 September 2012 and the skies above Manhattan are filled with a flickering curtain of colourful light. Few New Yorkers have seen the aurora this far south but their fascination is short-lived. Within a few seconds, electric bulbs dim and flicker, then become unusually bright for a fleeting moment. Then all the lights in the state go out. Within 90 seconds, the entire eastern half of the US is without power. "A fierce solar storm could lead to a global disaster on an unprecedented scale." (Image: SOHO Consortium / ESA / NASA) “A year later and millions of Americans are dead and the nation's infrastructure lies in tatters. The World Bank declares America a developing nation. Europe, Scandinavia, China and Japan are also struggling to recover from the same fateful event - a violent storm, 150 million kilometres away on the surface of the sun. “It sounds ridiculous. Surely the sun couldn't create so profound a disaster on Earth. Yet an extraordinary report funded by NASA and issued by the US National Academy of Sciences (NAS) in January this year claims it could do just that.” You must read this report. "We're moving closer and closer to the edge of a possible disaster," says Daniel Baker, a space weather expert based at the University of Colorado in Boulder, and chair of the NAS committee responsible for the report. “From time to time,” the report says, the solar wind “carries a billion-tonne glob of plasma, a fireball known as a coronal mass ejection. If one should hit the Earth's magnetic shield, the result could be truly devastating.” “The incursion of the plasma into our atmosphere causes rapid changes in the configuration of Earth's magnetic field which, in turn, induce currents in the long wires of the power grids. The grids were not built to handle this sort of direct current electricity.” “A severe space weather event in the US could induce ground currents that would knock out 300 key transformers within about 90 seconds, cutting off the power for more than 130 million people.” First to go - immediately for those in high-rise buildings - is drinkable water. With no trains, no trucks, no cars (filling stations wouldn’t be able to pump gas) supermarket shelves would empty very quickly. Back-up generators would run out of fuel in less than 72 hours. After that, hospitals shut down. No more modern healthcare. And with the factories shuttered, no more medications. And forget nuclear power. The stations are programmed to shut down in the event of serious grid problems and are not allowed to restart until the power grid is up and running, the report says. With no power for heating, cooling or refrigeration systems, people could begin to die within days. "It could conceivably be the worst natural disaster possible,” the report says, “a planetary disaster.” “It is questionable whether the US would ever bounce back.” See entire article by Michael Brooks http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20....html?full=true Jeez, Bjorn - you are always ready with such cheerful stories
2012 Mustang Boss 302 #1918, Competition Orange. FGF replacement
2006 Mustang V6 Pony, Vista Blue. Factory ordered.
2019 BMW X3 (Titled to the wife, but I'm always driving it for her. So I'm claiming it)
Old projects, gone but not forgotten:
1967 FB 400, original CA car. After 22 years of work, trashed by the guy who was supposed to paint it. I had to sell it.
1980 Turbo Trans Am
1970 Mustang fastback, 351C 4Bbl, auto
1988 Mustang GT, 5 speed
1983 F-150 4x4, built 302
1994 Chevy K2500 HD 4x4, 454 TBI
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Pontiac's demise is now "Breaking News" on CNN, so that's it for sure...
2012 Mustang Boss 302 #1918, Competition Orange. FGF replacement
2006 Mustang V6 Pony, Vista Blue. Factory ordered.
2019 BMW X3 (Titled to the wife, but I'm always driving it for her. So I'm claiming it)
Old projects, gone but not forgotten:
1967 FB 400, original CA car. After 22 years of work, trashed by the guy who was supposed to paint it. I had to sell it.
1980 Turbo Trans Am
1970 Mustang fastback, 351C 4Bbl, auto
1988 Mustang GT, 5 speed
1983 F-150 4x4, built 302
1994 Chevy K2500 HD 4x4, 454 TBI
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electric cars may be good , but if theres a solar storm, they may quit working temporarily, might even cease to work..... of course , lots of other things might 'cease' too.... . Space storm alert: 90 seconds from catastrophe 23 Mar 09 – (Excerpts) - “IT IS midnight on 22 September 2012 and the skies above Manhattan are filled with a flickering curtain of colourful light. Few New Yorkers have seen the aurora this far south but their fascination is short-lived. Within a few seconds, electric bulbs dim and flicker, then become unusually bright for a fleeting moment. Then all the lights in the state go out. Within 90 seconds, the entire eastern half of the US is without power. "A fierce solar storm could lead to a global disaster on an unprecedented scale." (Image: SOHO Consortium / ESA / NASA) “A year later and millions of Americans are dead and the nation's infrastructure lies in tatters. The World Bank declares America a developing nation. Europe, Scandinavia, China and Japan are also struggling to recover from the same fateful event - a violent storm, 150 million kilometres away on the surface of the sun. “It sounds ridiculous. Surely the sun couldn't create so profound a disaster on Earth. Yet an extraordinary report funded by NASA and issued by the US National Academy of Sciences (NAS) in January this year claims it could do just that.” You must read this report. "We're moving closer and closer to the edge of a possible disaster," says Daniel Baker, a space weather expert based at the University of Colorado in Boulder, and chair of the NAS committee responsible for the report. “From time to time,” the report says, the solar wind “carries a billion-tonne glob of plasma, a fireball known as a coronal mass ejection. If one should hit the Earth's magnetic shield, the result could be truly devastating.” “The incursion of the plasma into our atmosphere causes rapid changes in the configuration of Earth's magnetic field which, in turn, induce currents in the long wires of the power grids. The grids were not built to handle this sort of direct current electricity.” “A severe space weather event in the US could induce ground currents that would knock out 300 key transformers within about 90 seconds, cutting off the power for more than 130 million people.” First to go - immediately for those in high-rise buildings - is drinkable water. With no trains, no trucks, no cars (filling stations wouldn’t be able to pump gas) supermarket shelves would empty very quickly. Back-up generators would run out of fuel in less than 72 hours. After that, hospitals shut down. No more modern healthcare. And with the factories shuttered, no more medications. And forget nuclear power. The stations are programmed to shut down in the event of serious grid problems and are not allowed to restart until the power grid is up and running, the report says. With no power for heating, cooling or refrigeration systems, people could begin to die within days. "It could conceivably be the worst natural disaster possible,” the report says, “a planetary disaster.” “It is questionable whether the US would ever bounce back.” See entire article by Michael Brooks http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20....html?full=true Jeez, Bjorn - you are always ready with such cheerful stories lol, thanks, just trying to cheer you up! 
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WoW Terry your quite the visionary maybe G.M. should look to you for help !
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GM really messed themselves up. I hate to see Pontiac leave GM but maybe somebody can buy it and put some excitement back into Pontiac. Of course, it will never be like the good old days with the true Pontiac V8.
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WoW Terry your quite the visionary maybe G.M. should look to you for help ! and you are such the comedian.did you miss your calling doug?
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WoW Terry your quite the visionary maybe G.M. should look to you for help ! and you are such the comedian.did you miss your calling doug? I seen that response coming....am I a visionary 
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was i out of line?what else should you expect from a cranky old man like me?lmao
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Well, now we will all know the feeling of Studebaker owners.
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2006 Mustang V6 Pony, Vista Blue. Factory ordered.
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Old projects, gone but not forgotten:
1967 FB 400, original CA car. After 22 years of work, trashed by the guy who was supposed to paint it. I had to sell it.
1980 Turbo Trans Am
1970 Mustang fastback, 351C 4Bbl, auto
1988 Mustang GT, 5 speed
1983 F-150 4x4, built 302
1994 Chevy K2500 HD 4x4, 454 TBI
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GM really messed themselves up. I hate to see Pontiac leave GM but maybe somebody can buy it and put some excitement back into Pontiac. Of course, it will never be like the good old days with the true Pontiac V8. Considering the value of GM's stock now; if everybody on this website pitched in....
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I read that it was not sales but profitability that killed them. They sold twice as many cars as Buick. Apparently making cars in Austrailia for the American market, and tooling up to sell niche models made their margins smaller than the other brands. Too bad, I was still enjoying new Pontiacs every few years.
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Just heard on the news they will phase it out by 2010, Thats a sad thing to here
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Saturn, Hummer and Saab as well UNLESS they are bought, otherwise they will also be toast as of 2010!
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i wonder how the pontiac car prices will be affected?
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I as well thought Pontiac was on the right track with the G8 and Solstice. It is sad news indeed.
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i wonder how the pontiac car prices will be affected? And I wonder how Pontiac parts prices will be affected?
2012 Mustang Boss 302 #1918, Competition Orange. FGF replacement
2006 Mustang V6 Pony, Vista Blue. Factory ordered.
2019 BMW X3 (Titled to the wife, but I'm always driving it for her. So I'm claiming it)
Old projects, gone but not forgotten:
1967 FB 400, original CA car. After 22 years of work, trashed by the guy who was supposed to paint it. I had to sell it.
1980 Turbo Trans Am
1970 Mustang fastback, 351C 4Bbl, auto
1988 Mustang GT, 5 speed
1983 F-150 4x4, built 302
1994 Chevy K2500 HD 4x4, 454 TBI
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It's ironic, but it may be the G8 and Solstice that killed them. Pontiac was less profitable than the other GM brands even though they sold more cars than everyone but Chevy. They built the G8 in Austrailia, and the Solstice was possibly not covering the cost of its development and tooling. It's too bad. I'll never buy a new Buick.
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Saturn, Hummer and Saab as well UNLESS they are bought, otherwise they will also be toast as of 2010! they will probably end up GIVING SAAB to someone....not really sellable
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they will probably end up GIVING SAAB to someone....not really sellable the refrigerated glovebox is still pretty attractive
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The prices on our classic Pontiacs will not be affected. It's not like having an autograph of some famous celebrity that suddenly dies, and their autograph suddenly goes up in value. These are just cars, most of them restored using cheap Taiwanese parts today, and they have no connection to the current Pontiac product. Parts prices will also not be affected, because whatever was made 30 years ago is still floating around via E-Bay whether Pontiac is here or not. It would be different if we still bought all our classic parts straight from Pontiac, but the hobby, and our passion for Pontiacs, continues whether Pontiac is here or not. Prices for Oldsmobiles, Plymouths, and AMC's didn't change when those manufacturers shut down. ALL Musclecar prices rose in value after 2000 due to the investor "bubble", so some people thought that when Oldsmobile shut down (2000-2005), prices on 442's rose, but ALL classic cars rose in price at that time, not just Oldsmobiles. However, since Pontiac WAS synonomous with Musclecars, and the GTO and Firebird were SO well known, there may be a new interest from people to remember the fond old days when Musclecars roamed the streets, you know, back when America was a cool place to live.  I'm sorry to see Pontiac go. I know they didn't have Pontiac hearts under their hoods, but Pontiac styling always looked aggressive, they always had an identity, and there was always a touch of excitement in every model, from the interior to the split grille, from that wonderful arrowhead emblem up front, to their aggressive stance. From Bonnevilles to G8's, from GTO's to Grand Prix's, from Lemans's to G6's, from Firebirds to Grand Am's, they were ALL cool cars. So long Pontiac... 
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Looks like Pontiac will have a lot of company soon.
CNN says Chrysler will be declaring bankruptcy
2012 Mustang Boss 302 #1918, Competition Orange. FGF replacement
2006 Mustang V6 Pony, Vista Blue. Factory ordered.
2019 BMW X3 (Titled to the wife, but I'm always driving it for her. So I'm claiming it)
Old projects, gone but not forgotten:
1967 FB 400, original CA car. After 22 years of work, trashed by the guy who was supposed to paint it. I had to sell it.
1980 Turbo Trans Am
1970 Mustang fastback, 351C 4Bbl, auto
1988 Mustang GT, 5 speed
1983 F-150 4x4, built 302
1994 Chevy K2500 HD 4x4, 454 TBI
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i wonder how the pontiac car prices will be affected? See what happened with Olds owners.
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I just saw this on Sympatico as well. I was about to start another thread but saw your post. I found this part interesting: And while it seems odd to rebadge a vehicle that's distinctively Pontiac as a Chevrolet, it really isn’t that big of a problem. The G8 is currently sold as a Chevrolet in various markets, so the inserts for the grille, and interior already exist. For instance, in the Middle East, it’s marketed as the Chevrolet Lumina.
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70 Trans Am RAIII 400 4-speed (sold)
2011 Challenger SRT8 IE392 6-speed (sold)
2017 Challenger Hellcat
1966 Dodge Coronet 440
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i wonder how the pontiac car prices will be affected? See what happened with Olds owners. So - what did happen with Olds owners? I know for one thing the leftover unsold cars were dumped into Gov vehicle fleets. 1st and only time I got a fleet vehicle with a CD player and power seats!
2012 Mustang Boss 302 #1918, Competition Orange. FGF replacement
2006 Mustang V6 Pony, Vista Blue. Factory ordered.
2019 BMW X3 (Titled to the wife, but I'm always driving it for her. So I'm claiming it)
Old projects, gone but not forgotten:
1967 FB 400, original CA car. After 22 years of work, trashed by the guy who was supposed to paint it. I had to sell it.
1980 Turbo Trans Am
1970 Mustang fastback, 351C 4Bbl, auto
1988 Mustang GT, 5 speed
1983 F-150 4x4, built 302
1994 Chevy K2500 HD 4x4, 454 TBI
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I just dropped off my GP GTP for some service work this morning, and the 'loaner' car they gave me is an '08 G8 with 8000 miles on it.
I drove to my office about 6 miles away. What a piece of CRAP!
Another car I can add to my 'will never buy' list...
I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not sure. I feel like I am diagonally parked in a parallel universe. 1968 400 convertible (Scarlet) 1976 T/A - 455 LE (No Burt) 1976 T/A New baby, starting full restoration. 1968 350 - 4 speed 'vert - 400 clone (the Beast!) 1968 350 convertible - Wife's car now- 400 clone (Aleutian Blue) (Blue Angel) 2008 Durango - DD 2008 GXP - New one from NH is AWESOME! 2017 Durango Citadel - Modern is nice! HEMI is amazing! 1998 Silverado Z71 - Father-daughter project 1968 400 coupe - R/A clone (Blue Pearl) (sold) 1967 326 convertible - Sold 1980 T/A SE Bandit - Sold
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