Hello everyone,

I won on Auction for a 1967 Firebird last 2 weeks ago.

I noticed this seller canceled all bids and ended early on his 1st Auction. It had bid amount $3,25.00 to see how much it went:

1st: Firebird BARN FIND! - ebay motors

Then I checked on ebay motors in the next few days and I go ahead and bidded on it 7 times. The bidder had been outbid me again so, I outbidded him/her then I went outside and yard worked then went inside and checked this Auction again to see if I won it or not... I can't believe it, I've been won it went for $3,000.99!!!

2nd: Firebird REAL 400 Car - ebay motors

My Father and I've been contacted with this seller on ebay emails, sending forward emailed him and he called the seller often but things went fine. My Father contact with me and he said this seller can wait till 1 week later, this Saturday at 7:00am my Father, me, his 2nd wife and her youngest son (my step baby brother) will driving down to Hearne, TX with his 1 ton 4 doors pick up truck with long flat bed trailer then I'll be finish to paid off the car and pick up her on the trailer then driving down to my new home under the Car Port (it fits 2 cars).

I've been tried to figured out with Body Tag F.A.Q's from this site that have been errors over and over with no luck to finding out what's the correct body tag and vin #'s:

Firebird Body Tag Analyzer

The vin #'s is: 223377U131875.

Here's pic of the Body Tag:



I read it says:

721 04C
ST 67-22637 LOR22636 BODY
TR 260-Z K-1 PAINT
WL 2ZGS 3JF
5Y

Is that a real 400 car? I've seen code "3F" 400 car on ebay and other Websites. Can you id these nunbers? Please let me know, thanks.

congradulations! enjoy your new toy

Thanks for kind word, I had been looked for another '67 one for near 23 years... Finally, found her and will be so glad to have her return to my new home!!

Now I will knows BETTER to kept her forever.....

Try This Link.

https://firstgenfirebird.org/FAQ/codes/dataplate.html

The data plate analyzers on this site do not work since the sudden migration of the site to a new server back in April of 2012. See the note on the very 1st website page.

I reviewed your data plate manually. There is good news and not so good news.

1) Your car is indeed an original 400 Sport model. The "3JF" means you have 2 separate options in Group 3, "J" which we are not sure what it means and "F" which was the 400 model.

2) The not so good news (depending on your desires) is that your car left the factory with a TH 400 transmission under it and only 2 pedals on the floor. Someplace in its life it got converted to a stick car. I only saw the one RH factory traction bar under the car in the photos - if the left side one is missing and there is no Riv Nut on the rear frame rail and reinforcement plate on that side under the rear seat, that would pretty much confirm that.

Wow! That looks like a ton of work. You will probably need a lot of parts for her. Congrats on your purchase.

Actually I was doing a search a week or two ago and the tag analyzer was still on an old yahoo search. I'm curious about paint K-1. anybody know without looking it up?

Nevermind, Tourq Blue w/ivory vinal top. But what is the Z after the 260(parchment) trim code? Is that the folddown rear?
BTW. I don't think the analyzer works but the code info is there if you scroll down.

Thanks for good information.... I checked the Body Tag, it said:



It has "J" code stands for "Custom Option" and of course you're right "F" code stands for "400 Option (Firebird).

And I don't see the 4th Group on that Tag, no need this codes from the factory?



BTW, I'm not worry about it's missing 400 eng. & th400 trans. I'm realy cares the 400 car with very good solid body, I can finding another one '67 400 eng. with th400 trans. into her will be near or it's matching #'s.

I found out the body paint code earlier, it has Gulf Turquoise "K"-1 under primered, had Vinyl Top "-1" - Ivory

The code "L" is for the rear fold back seat, code "W" - Soft-ray Tinted Glass (Windshield Only).



I think "260(parchment) trim code" is correct, that means deluxe white Int. with black trims on the metal panels, I'll reading the rest on scroll down that page. Thanks,

Pat

Thanks for kind word, yeah that looks like a ton of work but I can fixing her up pretty simple job. I'm the Auto Body man for 28 years, I had over 26 classic muscle and other cars, 2 small sized Chevy L.U.V and 1 '84 1/2 ton p/u Trucks... I'll be retired when I'm finish to restore my 2nd '67 one. My mother bought a factory black 2004 Saturn VUE 4 drs with 2.2L and 5 spd manual trans. with gray Int., has black top dashboard and arm rests. She still looks new and smells like new! That's great for used for transportation while I'm to finding parts and auto supplies - spray can primers, rust remover, cleaner, WD-40, Stainless Steel (rust proof) bolts, nuts, washers, screws, etc.) and Swap Meets for my '67 Bird.

BTW, thanks for sending PMs me. Will keep in contact with you when I get my baby to my new home by this Weekend and will finding out what parts we need. :-)

Pat

I can't finding the right site for Vin #'s.

The Vin #'s is 223377U131875

Please help, thanks...

Yes the VIN "cruncher" no longer works either. Just look up the info at the bottom of this page:

'67 VIN Page

Not a heck of a lot of info there anyway. All '67's were built Norwood, you know you have a '67 coupe and it came with a V8 engine.

The ad says he has the PHS. Did you get a copy of it yet?

Oh, the 67's were built in Lordstown, not Norwood.

I knew it was only 1 plant that year, but I guess our FGF VIN page for '67's needs more "fixing" than I thought.

^^^ Yeah, that happen to us.... Hope our admin Geoff will fixing this site for us....

I forgot one thing is what month, day and week my Bird was built in the eary or late 1967.

Here's above codes of the Body Tag:

721 04C
ST 67-22637 LOR22636 BODY
TR 260-Z K-1 PAINT
WL 2ZGS 3JF
5Y

LMK, Thanks again.
Pat

Looks like 3rd week of April. Only PHS documents can provide info about day - strongly recommend you order them.

Thanks for help. I removed Int., carpets, oil pad covers, factory sealers and I noticed she has a factory 4 spd manual square hole with factory stamped plates on the top and under, I'm so confusing which is one mine had the factory th400 auto. in the group 2 - "Z" OR "B" 3-spd Manual Transmission Floor Shift. There's no code "B"... The whole body shell has never been cutted off or welded around to modified it.. it's all original body panels, included floor panels.

Body tag with red marked "Z" in the group 2:

721 04C
ST 67-22637 LOR22636 BODY
TR 260-Z K-1 PAINT
WL 2ZGS 3JF
5Y

Is that from the factory error or previous owner did swapped the body tags?? Just curious.

Close up pics in my photobucket.com:

http://s195.photobucket.com/albums/z64/W...moving%20Parts/

Added pic images and in my signature link:

I can't afford to paying for that but thanks....

Everyone please help me to finding out my body tag is original to my '67 Firebird 400 or have been swapped the body tag came from another '67 one with the same factory body color with white vinyl top and black & white Int., custom option and th400 tranny by previous owner. I'm really need to know a very sure in which is one has the factory 4 spd manual or th400 auto. trans., thanks......

Auto or manual, the shifter hole was the same in 67.

Hate to maybe come across as snarky,...

but you are getting into an expensive hobby here (car restorations) but are balking at getting all the correct factory literature????

Especially in this case where the missing body tag may be a sign of a bit of fraud going on.

What's "balking" stands for? I can't read 2nd English...

I've been in contacted with Bjorn all about this and he said he dunno......

Last night I've been online and looked for questions and answers in 5 hours till 4:00 A.M about that 2 different trannys. It's very imposible to tell in which is one is original factory to my car, I've been very frustrating all night.... I found 2 sites with square hole parts, they said it's for manual tranny only and one said it's for th400. Also, I found repro square boot for '67 in different parts site, it said that's for th400 but I doubt it. We'll see what's going on........

I remember I had 1st '67 326 H.O with factory 4 spd manual tranny that has the same factory as my 2nd '67 one.

I'll post sites and pics here to see what's the difference soon....

To balk means to resist or have issue with.

You are most likely going to be spending thousands of dollars on your restoration over the few years and yet you are saying that you cannot afford the $50 or so for your PHS documents?

This is probably one of the best $50 purchases you will make for your car. They will tell you everything and stop all of your attempts to "figure out" what's original and what has been messed with by previous owners.

For example, my car came with several aftermarket add-ons that I now know for sure where not original such as underdash gauges, a transmission cooler, aftermarket carb and air cleaner.

Thanks for LMK, sorry all about this again.... knows my car needs a lot of working to do and I don't cares it's expensive repairs because of '67 Firebird is very difficult to finding for 23 years with lowered price and local in TX area...... Finally, I won her on that Auction this month. I'm 45 yrs old Deaf Auto Bodyman experience for 28 years... I can fixing her up excellent job, I have a good patience with her and I believe she will be done around 5 years. I sold my very rare expensive Collectibles to the buyers from other site, I have pretty enough money to taking care of her... BTW, I have copied pages of PHS Documents that from the seller on 2/2/13, he gave it to me. I read it showed "th400" and "3 spd manual" with black circles marked on the both of pages that's very confusing me. I'll take new pics of them and will be uploading into my photobucket.com then will post or reply here - (in case when my edit post is expires in 5 hours later) soon. Hope that'll helps ya to know all about this than me, thanks for trying to helping me out.....

You were right about that, I found out mine is an original th400 A/T car.

Thanks for a quick LMK!

By the way, where are you getting the "1 of 650 built" from?

The seller said that on his Auction.

" I have the Pontiac historical services report that document this car as 1 of only 9858 built but the special order TH400 make it 1 of 650 & the options and color combination put it in the low hundreds.".

I dunno if it's true, we'll finding out. Thanks for asked.