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My 69 firebird has original motor and transmission. I cant figure out why it came with a 400 transmission with a 350 motor?

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I figure a 350HO would come with a TH400. But I'd guess that a TH400 with a 2-barrel 350 would be an extra cost option.

Not sure, but I assume that some 2-barrel 350 1st gens came with a ST-300, & some came with a TH350. Maybe a PHS report would tell you how it was originally ordered.

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Option? 2 or 4 bbl?

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If a 1969 Firebird 350 was ordered with a 3-speed automatic, you would get a TH350 if the car didn´t have A/C. If the car had A/C, you would get a TH400. I can't figure out the reason why, but that's how Pontiac specified the cars.


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Originally Posted by Ronnie S
If a 1969 Firebird 350 was ordered with a 3-speed automatic, you would get a TH350 if the car didn´t have A/C. If the car had A/C, you would get a TH400. I can't figure out the reason why, but that's how Pontiac specified the cars.


So are you saying that you could not get a TH400 with a 350HO, unless the car had A/C, but that all 350 2-barrel engines could get a TH400, if the car had A/C ???

Just curious. Where did you get this info ? Post a link to it please.

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You have to have a 400 engine to get TH400 trans
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PHS 400HO vert OptionsPg.pdf (38.99 KB, 128 downloads)

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Originally Posted by Gus68
You have to have a 400 engine to get TH400 trans


That is for '68 Birds. The OP has a '69.

I think the '69 350HO got a TH400.

https://www.hemmings.com/magazine/mus/2016/06/1969-Pontiac-Firebird-H-O-/3749792.html



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Originally Posted by oldskool

So are you saying that you could not get a TH400 with a 350HO, unless the car had A/C, but that all 350 2-barrel engines could get a TH400, if the car had A/C ???

Just curious. Where did you get this info ? Post a link to it please.


Sorry, my information above was apparently only valid for 350 2-barrel Firebirds.

If we only look at 1969 350 engines and 3-speed automatics, the 1969 Pontiac Service manual (Shop Manual) says that the TH350 (or M38) trans would be fitted to 350 2-barrel except A/C (transmission code JF). It's on page 7G-1 in the manual.

Page 7E-2 in the same manual says that 350 2-barrel cars with A/C would get a TH400 (or M40) with code PV, and a 350HO would get a TH400 with code PS (regardless of A/C or not).

I still can't figure out why Pontiac felt that a 350 2-barrel with its 265 hp needed a beefier transmission if the car was equipped with A/C though.


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What he noted is also what is shown in the Technical Information/Drivetrain ID section under 1969.


1968 400 Coupe, verdoro green, black vinyl top, auto
1969 GTO Judge coupe, Carousel Red, manual
1971 Trans Am, cameo white, auto
1970 Buick Skylark Custom Convertible 350-4(driver), Fire Red, white top, auto
1972 Buick GS Stage 1, Royal Blue, black vinyl top, auto

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