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Again, Bill Clinton is the luckiest SOB on the face of the planet. He was handed a perfect storm for economic growth during his term. And for the record, I voted for the guy twice.


the point is, of course, all of those "sky is falling" warnings were dead wrong.
Obama's tax plan is almost identical to Clinton's, that librul commie America hater who balanced the budget.

BTW, the Wall Street Journal disagrees with your assessment as to who gets the credit for said balancing:




A Vote for Clinton’s Economic Program Becomes
The Platform for Often-Misleading GOP Attacks

Contrary to Republican claims, the 1993 package with a $240 billion tax increase is not "the largest tax increase in history."

The 1982 deficit-reduction package of President Reagan and Sen. Robert Dole in a GOP-controlled Senate was a bigger tax bill, both in 1993-adjusted dollars and as a percentage of the overall economy; and both recent laws are dwarfed by the tax bills of World War II.

Moreover, except for a small gasoline-tax boost and an increase for the best-off Social Security recipients, the tax increases in last years bill mostly didn’t touch the middle class but hit the wealthiest 1.2% of Americans.

GOP candidates also ignore the bill’s tax cuts for individuals and businesses, and nowhere do they describe the plan as a $433 billion, five-year deficit-reduction package.

"It’s the silly season. People are running for office, and people who run for office say silly things," says Carol Cox Wait, a former top GOP aide on the Senate Budget Committee who now heads the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget…

In all but 11 of the 435 House districts, more taxpayers were eligible for an income-tax cut than got a tax boost… Even in those 11 districts… more than three-quarters of the people saw no change at all in income taxes.

—WALL STREET JOURNAL, October 26, 1994, A22.


And what was the Journal’s take on the subject three years later?
Scary Deficit Forecasts For Clinton Years
Fade As Tax Revenue Grows

It Rises Faster Than Outlays, Thanks to ’93 Budget Bill
And a Steady Economy

Where has the federal deficit gone?

When Bill Clinton was elected president four years ago, the government was hemorrhaging red ink at a rate of almost $300 billion a year, and forecasters saw little improvement in the offing. Today, his budget office estimates the fiscal 1996 deficit at just $117 billion—the lowest in dollar terms since 1981, the year Ronald Reagan took office.

Measured as a share of the total economy, the U.S. deficit this year will run only about 1.6%—smaller than the deficits of Japan, Germany, Britain or, indeed, any of the world’s advanced nations except Norway.

Clearly, a stronger-than-expected economy has a lot to do with it. The tax increases in the 1993 deficit-reduction package that Mr. Clinton pushed through get credit as well. And, to a lesser extent, so do the spending cuts engineered by the Republican Congress…

For the current fiscal year, ending Sept. 30, collections now are expected to be $97 billion higher than the $1.356 trillion the Congressional Budget Office projected 3 ½ years ago as Mr. Clinton was taking office. That is about 7% more.

By the CBO’s analysis, just over half of the $97 billion increase beyond projections is due to tax boosts in Mr. Clinton’s 1993 antideficit plan. The rest is due to a variety of factors.

—WALL STREET JOURNAL, August 1, 1996, A1.


(Note: For the deficit reduction, the Journal gave more credit to Clinton’s tax increases than to the cost-cutting Republican Congress.)

And another year later—the Journal is still giving credit to "tax-on-wealthy" for the deficit reduction:
Tax on Wealthy Is Boosting U.S. Revenue
Treasury Says 1993 Increase Is Helping Cut the Deficit


President Clinton sold the 1993 income-tax increase as a way to shrink the budget deficit at the expense of the rich.

Republican adversaries predicted it wouldn’t generate much revenue because the rich would work less and take bigger deductions. Now there’s growing, if still tentative, evidence that Mr. Clinton may have been right after all.

The recent flood of revenue pouring into Treasury coffers—enough to push the federal budget to a record $93.94 billion surplus for the month of April—appears to have come mostly from the nation’s biggest earners, indicating that the controversial tax increase may indeed be taking from the rich. "The available data suggest the surge in tax collections has come from the taxpayers with high incomes, who were the only ones affected by the 1993 changes," says Deputy Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers.

Corporate taxes, which were increased modestly under the 1993 law, also have brought in more revenue, but at about the level the Treasury had been predicting…

The package, part of the 1993 budget agreement, drew harsh criticism from the right. Texas GOP Rep. Dick Armey, who is now the House majority leader, predicted dire results, "Who can blame many second-earner families for deciding that the sacrifice of a second job is no longer worth it?" he wrote...

"The basic fact is that people looked at the 1993 budget agreement and said there’d be a recession, the deficit would go way up and that tax collections would go way down," says Mr. Summers. "What has happened is there has been a boom, the deficit has gone way down and tax collections have gone way up."

—WALL STREET JOURNAL, May 22, 1997, A2.





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Re: Disgruntled Rebublican Corner Bronze Bird 11/05/08 11:10 PM
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Re: Disgruntled Rebublican Corner catalina 11/05/08 11:45 PM
Re: Disgruntled Rebublican Corner Bjorn Sefeldt 11/05/08 11:57 PM
Re: Disgruntled Rebublican Corner ho428 11/06/08 12:05 AM
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Re: Disgruntled Rebublican Corner catalina 11/06/08 01:43 AM
Re: Disgruntled Rebublican Corner Jimc2002 11/06/08 01:56 AM
Re: Disgruntled Rebublican Corner Montreux_Blue 11/06/08 01:52 AM
Re: Disgruntled Rebublican Corner Bjorn Sefeldt 11/06/08 01:56 AM
Re: Disgruntled Rebublican Corner Z_Firebird 11/06/08 02:14 AM
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Re: Disgruntled Rebublican Corner Z_Firebird 11/06/08 02:08 AM
Re: Disgruntled Rebublican Corner Montreux_Blue 11/06/08 02:23 AM
Re: Disgruntled Rebublican Corner Fbody69 11/06/08 02:34 AM
Re: Disgruntled Rebublican Corner catalina 11/06/08 02:56 AM
Concerned American Corner Yellowbird 11/06/08 04:20 AM
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Re: Disgruntled Rebublican Corner Yellowbird 11/06/08 07:10 AM
Re: Disgruntled Rebublican Corner Fbody69 11/06/08 03:25 PM
Re: Concerned American Corner Yellowbird 11/06/08 04:45 AM
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Revelation Corner Fbody69 11/06/08 03:41 PM
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Re: Disgruntled Rebublican Corner 69fyrbrd 11/06/08 03:50 AM
Re: Disgruntled Rebublican Corner Jimc2002 11/05/08 06:20 PM
Re: Disgruntled Rebublican Corner Fbody69 11/05/08 06:04 PM
Re: Disgruntled Rebublican Corner Bjorn Sefeldt 11/05/08 07:04 PM
Re: Disgruntled Rebublican Corner Earlybird 11/05/08 06:54 AM
Re: Disgruntled Rebublican Corner Banshee 11/05/08 04:54 AM
Re: Disgruntled Rebublican Corner Fbody69 11/05/08 05:02 AM
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Re: Disgruntled Rebublican Corner 69firebirdman 11/05/08 05:15 AM
Re: Disgruntled Rebublican Corner Banshee 11/05/08 05:34 AM
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Re: Voter qualifications Yellowbird 11/04/08 09:01 PM
Digruntled Republican Corner Fbody69 11/04/08 09:04 PM
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Re: Digruntled Republican Corner Bjorn Sefeldt 11/04/08 09:57 PM
Re: Voter qualifications Sheri 11/04/08 09:07 PM
Re: Disgruntled Republican Corner Bronze Bird 11/04/08 08:37 PM
Re: Disgruntled Republican Corner Bjorn Sefeldt 11/04/08 08:40 PM
Re: Disgruntled Republican Corner Jimc2002 11/04/08 05:32 PM
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Re: Cast your vote..Obama or McCain! Earlybird 11/04/08 04:08 AM
Re: Cast your vote..Obama or McCain! Z_Firebird 11/04/08 03:11 AM
Re: Cast your vote..Obama or McCain! catalina 11/04/08 02:34 AM
Re: Cast your vote..Obama or McCain! Yellowbird 11/04/08 02:57 AM
Re: Cast your vote..Obama or McCain! Yellowbird 11/03/08 05:02 AM
Re: Cast your vote..Obama or McCain! Bronze Bird 11/03/08 05:46 AM
Re: Cast your vote..Obama or McCain! Geoff 11/03/08 05:47 AM
Re: Cast your vote..Obama or McCain! Bjorn Sefeldt 11/03/08 12:39 AM
Re: Cast your vote..Obama or McCain! Jimc2002 11/03/08 12:57 AM
Re: Cast your vote..Obama or McCain! Z_Firebird 11/03/08 11:27 PM
Re: Cast your vote..Obama or McCain! Bjorn Sefeldt 11/03/08 11:42 PM
Re: Cast your vote..Obama or McCain! 69firebirdman 11/02/08 07:47 PM
Re: Cast your vote..Obama or McCain! Fbody69 11/02/08 07:50 PM
Re: Cast your vote..Obama or McCain! 69firebirdman 11/02/08 08:31 PM
Re: Cast your vote..Obama or McCain! tinindninkc 11/02/08 05:24 AM
Re: Cast your vote..Obama or McCain! Earlybird 11/02/08 05:31 AM
Re: Cast your vote..Obama or McCain! Earlybird 11/02/08 05:37 AM
Re: Cast your vote..Obama or McCain! FL67 11/02/08 05:31 AM
Re: Cast your vote..Obama or McCain! FL67 11/02/08 05:38 AM
Re: Cast your vote..Obama or McCain! Yellowbird 11/02/08 06:01 AM
Re: Cast your vote..Obama or McCain! Fbody69 11/02/08 04:01 PM
Re: Cast your vote..Obama or McCain! Mally38 11/04/08 03:02 AM
Re: Cast your vote..Obama or McCain! Sheri 11/02/08 03:02 AM
Re: Cast your vote..Obama or McCain! au73 11/02/08 03:56 AM
Re: Cast your vote..Obama or McCain! Yellowbird 11/02/08 05:03 AM
Re: Cast your vote..Obama or McCain! Sheri 11/02/08 07:25 AM
Re: Cast your vote..Obama or McCain! if6was9 11/02/08 07:51 AM
Re: Cast your vote..Obama or McCain! Yellowbird 11/02/08 09:11 AM
Re: Cast your vote..Obama or McCain! Sheri 11/03/08 03:04 AM

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